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In my previous comment I referred to the U. S. Bishops 1983 Peace Pastoral. Then yesterday, as I was reading a book that I had just purchased, (“Diogenes Unveiled” edited by Philip F. Lawler - thank you Mr. Lawler) I read the following on Page 47:

An article from America magazine is quoted as saying that the bishops’ 1983 pastoral letter ‘The Challenge of Peace” had “significant impact on Catholic society…”

This was followed by Father Paul Mankowski’s satirical comment, “Sorry lads, but anyone who believes ‘The Challenge of Peace’ had significant impact on anyone outside the bishops’ print shop is delusional, and seriously so.”

This leads up to asking exactly how helpful are our bishops, and the Vatican, with their function as the chief teachers in the Church, at all helpful in the in the overall issue of nuclear weapon morality, not in the particulars of Just Cause and Just Action.

A couple of decades ago 75 bishops signed a Pax Christi letter declaring the possession of nuclear weapons immoral.

In 2019 Pope Francis also declared the possession of nuclear weapons immoral.

Pope Leo has indicated he holds the same belief.

Since immorality does not exist in the abstract, but is personalized, the obvious question is - who is guilty of this immorality? Is it those in congress who vote the funds for the weapons? Is it the military personnel who man the missile silos and the missile submarines? Is it the people in New Mexico who design and produce the weapons? The bishops seem to be reluctant to address this question.

The bishops also call for the elimination of nuclear weapons - total disarmament. They have to know, just as we know, that Russia, communist China and North Korea will pay no attention to this. So, is this just moral posturing? Are they calling for unilateral nuclear disarmament by the USA? These are logical followup questions to their statements.

During the buildup to the first Gulf War some bishops said they thought it would not be just and some said they thought it would be. Surely whether a combatant is in a just or unjust war cannot depend on what diocese he is from. A well known Catholic writer at the time said that there were bishops who had become “Functional Pacifists.”

The previous pope also said that there is no longer a just war possibility. The bishops are supposed to be our chief teachers. If we were to believe what they say, then this substack is just an academic exercise. The response we hear is that they are not making a magisterial statement, but it is obvious they mean what they say, and many Catholics believe that these statements represent official Church teaching.

I am interested in anyone’s reaction to what I have written.

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If we are to leave moral issues aside regarding nuclear war this week, and discuss them next week, we are basically war gaming. And, the statement attributed to a Russian writer would apply - “If there is no God, then all things are permitted.” The only question is would they be practical.

About a year ago a Russian official said that no nuclear power could afford to lose a war to a non-nuclear power that it perceived as an existential threat. Sometimes countries bluff, but it is sometimes good to take them at their word.

An internet search produced the following information:

In the late 50’s, 60’s and 70’s we had a nuclear artillery projectile, the Davey Crockett, with a ten ton TNT equivalent. This is roughly the same size as the MOP that we dropped last year on the Iran nuclear sites. I could find no information on what is the smallest tactical nuclear weapon that we have today.

As you mentioned, escalation is the issue even if there were small nuclear weapons to start.

A small scale canon attack on Fort Sumter produced 600,000+ dead four years later.

Austria/Hungary's attack on Serbia in 1914 produced a week later WW I.

Germany’s attack on Poland in 1939 produced WW II several days later.

So, in theory, there could be a limited nuclear war, but in practice I would not count on it.

I agree with some of what Ted Turner has to say, but I think that the issue of whether it is moral to threaten to use something that would be immoral to actually use could use some discussion.

In the U.S. bishops’ 1983 Peace Pastoral they state that possession of nuclear weapons was acceptable if we were working toward disarmament. They use the word ‘Possession” as though they were stored in a warehouse somewhere. They are actually in underground silos and on submarines, targeted, or surely able to be targeted on a moments notice. Thus the words possession and threaten have serious meaning.

I have some thoughts on morality that do not directly have to do with Just Cause and Just Action which I may do as a followup to this post.

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